Evaders have a lot of free will and a real task to accomplish and its fair to ask them £20 - £40 to experience that. For the hunter force and any NPCs i think its more reasonable to tell them they have to follow a patrol route, obey orders, undertake sentry duties etc and script their movement and behaviour - but only charge them a tenner for it.
Aye, but when you're trying to cover the green fees for a site in order to hire it, which average between £20-£30 per person, it's not possible to do that without losing money.
Its a good point TBH.
Surely a better use of the jedburgh concept is to do a commando raid in support of resistance units.
An evasion/combat survival/behind the lines scenario might work much better with a downed bomber crew.
Eight guys, innapropriate kit *in blue* and a really good reason not to get caught and lets you set it at any time period and if its done 42/43 and in Belgium or Southern France or Italy you have a much more 'hostile' population.
Also gets around any 'commando order' sillyness. Secret Army had no end of good scenarios you could nick for it.
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Evaders have a lot of free will and a real task to accomplish and its fair to ask them £20 - £40 to experience that. For the hunter force and any NPCs i think its more reasonable to tell them they have to follow a patrol route, obey orders, undertake sentry duties etc and script their movement and behaviour - but only charge them a tenner for it.
Aye, but when you're trying to cover the green fees for a site in order to hire it, which average between £20-£30 per person, it's not possible to do that without losing money.
Well I'm sure a sensible site owner would negotiate knowing that you can get *no one* in and not run the game at £40 a head or 30+ at £15 a head... he make a small loss but makes more than being shut...
Look at GF, I mean they donated *all* the green fee for lightning to Help for Heroes and they didnt go under.
Equally is say green fee is £20 per person.... then 10 evaders at £40 lets you lose £200 in subsidised hunters... its not like its a prop or pyro heavy scenario is it?
As a fellow game organiser i get where you're coming from Steve but i think most sites would be flexible about stuff like that.
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
As a fellow game organiser i get where you're coming from Steve but i think most sites would be flexible about stuff like that.
Uh huh, I hear you, but unfortunately it's not always the case. Especially so on an weekender where we effectively take away their ability to run an open day.
Fair point.
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Nice one chaps.
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I only signed up for the S&M elements. If that's not happening anymore you can count me out!
More seriously, I think the game was pitched/sold to the elite evaders and did indeed sound very exciting for them.
My advice, for what it's worth, is to sell it better to the germans - their part certainly has the potential to seem to be very boring.
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soz didnt see daves earler post saying we was all going 
I only signed up for the S&M elements. If that's not happening anymore you can count me out!
Having taken part in IED's E&E earlier this year (i.e.Guy's 2IC - yeah, I was the biatch again), i'll make a few observations.
It is bloody hard work - for both sides. Mr Ashworth can confirm how much work the evaders have to put in, after all, he was one of the buggers we were chasing around all weekend! Stress levels for evaders? stratospheric gotta be.
From the HF point of view, it has to be very organised. You do what you're told, otherwise it will fall apart. Boring, it most certainly was not. The tension is always there. Take the average game as way of comparison. "Sod off over to point XYZ and assault the fuel dump". Well, you damn well know that's where the enemy will be. Doesn't work like that at an E&E cos they could be anywhere - so you have to stay on the ball at all times. Then there are the individual tasks. It might be a fighting patrol, QRF, Vehicle patrol - then you take into account your downtime and kip, and a full 24hrs goes bloody quickly.
Now, i've been doing Airsoft for a very long time. I've played over 30 sites - from single day games to full weekenders, from MilSim to crappy paintball type games. Nothing else I've done in the modern sphere of Airsoft has been anywhere near as immersive (and draining - physically and mentally) as the IED E&E - and i'm damn sure that it would translate into WW2 Airsoft.
I'd be up for more realism in battle, but E&E or combat survival just ain't it for me.
It's far too "special forces". I'm just a lot more interested in what the average tommy had to put up with.
Yes, i'm sure that all those Brit & French troops cut off behind the German advance in France in 1940 were all Special Forces............. 
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.....Boring, it most certainly was not. The tension is always there. Take the average game as way of comparison. "Sod off over to point XYZ and assault the fuel dump". Well, you damn well know that's where the enemy will be. Doesn't work like that at an E&E cos they could be anywhere - so you have to stay on the ball at all times. Then there are the individual tasks. It might be a fighting patrol, QRF, Vehicle patrol - then you take into account your downtime and kip, and a full 24hrs goes bloody quickly.......
Note I didn't say it was boring.
What I was trying to say was it has the potential to appear to be boring to people who haven't done this kind of thing before and are making the decision on whether or not to book up. Hence my comment on marketing it more to the hunting side, rather than the elite evaders side which sounds much more exciting and sells itself.
Yes, point well taken Barrie.
Sorry if you thought that was aimed at you Barrie - it was meant as a general comment on the type of event and my experience of it. Good point on the marketing!
How's this for a Ad slogan.
"Spend the weekend hunting Headshot, then torturing him with a tub of swarfega and a selection of root vegetables!"
Hmmm. Probably not a good idea to put it that way.... 
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I just noticed... ...before a definate yes or no.
nice one guys just the kind of info i was looking for
.im not wanting to name call or give anyone a hard time i just wanted to know how many would like E&E and constuctive critisum from those who wouldent .its just data gathering for a possible future game.againe nice post
Cheers, glad my opinions were useful and not taken as plain negative
McV, where I suspect the E&E games you've been to have gone wrong is when people have started to act like mongs and reverted to being airsofters, looking for trigger time rather than getting into it properly.
Not really, no.
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McV, where I suspect the E&E games you've been to have gone wrong is when people have started to act like mongs and reverted to being airsofters, looking for trigger time rather than getting into it properly.
Not really, no.
Well, that's usually where things go wrong. Bad organisation then.
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I`m surprised that places at this event didn`t sell like hot cakes. Any E+E scenario reminds me of playing 'hares and hounds' when I was a kid. The tension and excitement would be somewhat different to a normal event I would think, the only reason I didn`t book in was the cost of fuel to get there, something which I can`t justify at the moment. I quite liked Gadges' suggestion about downed aircrew, or even some kind of 'Great Escape' scenario. Not sure how that would pan out in 700 acres though ? 
Lard Ass Monkey, Dieselmonkey and I are contemplating an 'escape from colditz' LRP type event using an urban site patrolled by guards. POW have to sneak about the site and locate and hide escape items before making a break for it.
Certain doors canonly be opened with a skeleton key, you need a coil of rope to be able to pass over certain areas etc.
Its an ambitious idea and very much more a live roleplay event than an airsoft skirmish which is why it falls out of the PBI remit.
Got a site considered its just a case of whether its too left field for folk?
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
Its an ambitious idea and very much more a live roleplay event than an airsoft skirmish which is why it falls out of the PBI remit.
Got a site considered its just a case of whether its too left field for folk?
That is exactly where my field lies....
barring major illness or death you will have three definite with us.
Cool, we think it could be wicked fun!
"I think we are in rats' alley - Where the dead men lost their bones."
